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Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 2301	Posted - 2014.08.25 14:51:00 - [1] - Quote I'll admit I haven't gone through this whole thread to find the answer, but does this basically mean that for C4 space, all invisible k162's will start to have a chance of becoming visible within 1 hour of warping to it? Since all C4 connected WH's are only 16 hours instead of 24?
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 2301	Posted - 2014.08.25 22:15:00 - [2] - Quote umnikar wrote: Derath Ellecon wrote: I'll admit I haven't gone through this whole thread to find the answer, but does this basically mean that for C4 space, all invisible k162's will start to have a chance of becoming visible within 1 hour of warping to it? Since all C4 connected WH's are only 16 hours instead of 24? Yes, but if you do not initiate warp, it will not even go into invisible state. So it will not change your current "lockup" behavior. Just if you warp to - which you dont because you know your statics... That other people forming a fleet on your invisible k-162 is your surprise(content) then. Not sure if jab, but it doesn't really matter, I was just curious. We don't have a current "lockup"n behavior because we generally assume the static to be open.
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 2303	Posted - 2014.08.31 03:54:00 - [3] - Quote So I'm curious if anyone else thinks this change has actually backfired? What I mean is that before the patch, when you saw a k162 appear, it was before anyone jumped through, but if you were online you were pretty assured there was someone on the other side. Since the patch it has seemed in every case so far, a new k162 is actually one that showed up after its 16 hour timer. The reason being that when I check out a new k162 the systems have been completely empty. in most cases if I find a corp in the neighboring WH they seem to be active in timezones way outside mine. So in a way it seems like the delayed appearance is making WH's feel even more empty than before.
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 2323	Posted - 2014.09.24 12:46:00 - [4] - Quote Andarriel wrote: Quote: 100% Agree. Almost every wormhole that's opened into my space has been from completely empty systems. How is that possible? If there is no one there to open the hole, why did it become visible? You are probably mixing up random wormholes with static wormholes which were not changed measurably in the latest patch. The comments about connections refer to K162 static wormholes and not randomly ocurring wormholes. Therefore your assertions that the latest patch has had a negative effect on you are flawed. No you are misunderstanding. Empty in terms of nobody home at the time. With the old method k162's formed when warped to. So for example If you were in your home WH and you saw a k162 spawn, you knew 100% that there is someone on the other side, because they just warped to it. Now, a k162 forms and I investigate, and the system is seemingly empty (not uninhabited, but empty). IE someone warped to the WH many many hours ago but did not jump thru. So by the time the K162 spawns they are long since logged off.
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 2323	Posted - 2014.09.30 12:59:00 - [5] - Quote Newt BlackCompany wrote: CCP Lebowski wrote: Traiori wrote: Does the K162 spawn when you jump through the hole or can probes detect it before then? Does the life of the wormhole now start when you jump through or, as at present, when you initiate warp to the grid it's on? So the only change that has been made is to when the K162 signature is visible or scannable. Wormhole lifetime still begins as soon as someone initiates warp to its grid. Ok. What's the timer? How long before it is visible in the probe scanner on the other side? Thanks, Newt Geez really? It's not like there is a link to the details in the OP or anything...
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 2325	Posted - 2014.10.03 16:14:00 - [6] - Quote Kaerakh wrote: I legitimately tried to read some of the responses in this thread, but I couldn't(Because an overwhelming majority are just stupid). So, here's my response to CCP. Pre-Hyperion: Me: Don't warp to X signature man, that'll populate it on the other side. Corpie: Oh, phew almost did. Let's get back to running sites. Hyperion: Me: Don't jump through the wormhole man, that'll populate it on the other side. Corpie: Oh, phew almost did. Let's get back to running sites. Post-newchangesHyperion: Me: Don't warp to X signature man, that'll populate it on the other side. Corpie: Oh, phew almost did. Let's get back to running sites. I'm glad that we wasted X number of months of development and internal design time to end up where we started with a more convoluted system that can be circumnavigated by simply rolling the connection and not warping to the newly populated signature. Thanks CCP. Yea, um you did basically miss the key element to this change on the flip side. Of course I think that has mostly backfired, but it is still legitimately a key reason for this change in the first place.
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 2325	Posted - 2014.10.03 18:30:00 - [7] - Quote Kaerakh wrote: Yea, um you did basically miss the key element to this change. This fixes nothing and does nothing to change isolationist play styles. Facepalm. Let's outline it in your format. Pre-Hyperion Happily running sites Me: "Hey guys a new sig popped up." Corpie: "Quick warp back to the POS, if we scan fast enough we might catch whoever is coming through" Post-Hyperion Happily running sites Me: "Hey guys a new sig popped up." Corpie: "Quick warp back to the PO... oh crap fleet landing we're dead. How did they get here so fast?" Me: "Oh yea, because the sig doesnt show up until AFTER they jump through, giving the attackers precious extra seconds to hopefully get a jump on us site runners" This change was never about your ability to roll your active WH's and lock yourself inside. It was about giving potential roaming gangs extra time to find and warp to you before you noticed the new sig pop up.
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 2325	Posted - 2014.10.03 22:35:00 - [8] - Quote Kaerakh wrote: You illustrated how you missed my point far better than I ever could. Next time you want to be smug, do it from a properly informed standpoint. Because clearly I do it better than you. Yes you are clearly better at being wrong than I am. You win.
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 2325	Posted - 2014.10.03 23:04:00 - [9] - Quote Kaerakh wrote: Derath Ellecon wrote: Kaerakh wrote: You illustrated how you missed my point far better than I ever could. Next time you want to be smug, do it from a properly informed standpoint. Because clearly I do it better than you. Yes you are clearly better at being wrong than I am. You win. Dude, public discourse platform such as this forum isn't about bob damned winning. It's about having an honest discourse of information and exchanging information. You shitting the boards up with antagonistic posts doesn't help that. I told you what an isolationist PVE focused corp will do to protect their PVE operations to counter these changes and you made wholly incorrect assumptions as to what I was saying. The fact is what you said had no bearing in the slightest as to what I was saying. Except that it does. You are correct an isolationist corp can lock themselves inside their WH the same way as before. But that is not what this change was about. Pre Hyperion a would be ganker roaming WH could NEVER get inside the isolationists locked down WH without notice since the new k162 would appear as soon as he WARPED to the other side. In most cases the isolationists would see the new k162 sig before the would be ganker even jumps through. Post Hyperion the would be ganker can ALWAYS get inside the isolationists home at least at the same time the new sig warning shows up. What does this mean? It means if the isolationists miss the new sig forming for 30-60 seconds, which is plausible if they rely on the discovery scanner, it is very possible the would be ganker will be able to land on grid before the warning bells go up. I hardly call that having no bearing in the slightest.
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 2325	Posted - 2014.10.04 01:13:00 - [10] - Quote scorchlikeshiswhiskey wrote: However, I think that K-holes are much better now from the perspective of the hunter, And this is the only key point. The ONLY reason CCP decided to change k162 spawns was to in some small way counteract the discovery scanner.
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 2325	Posted - 2014.10.04 02:48:00 - [11] - Quote Kaerakh wrote: Bro do you even sleeper? Anyone who isn't a vegetable is aligned out or capable of warping off before you can even enter warp once the signature is populated. It makes 0 difference. Also, nice flip flop in the first two sentences. I do fine thanks for the concern. But over the years there are apparently plenty of vegetables in WH space. But hey, at least you are finally on topic for this thread.

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